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GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion

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Forget all the rumors and speculation about Final Cut Pro X, Creative Cow Contributing Editor David Roth Weiss delivers nothing but facts as he guides you through the steps necessary to partition your Mac system drive with a cool multi-boot setup that will allow you to easily and efficiently switch back and forth between different versions of Final Cut Pro, FCPX, between different operating systems, or all of the above.



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A Seamless Transition to OS X Lion and FCP X

Back in August of 2009, I posted "Snow Leopard 101: For Smart People Only," just in time for Apple's planned rollout of their latest version of OS X. For those who would listen, I offered advice that would help fellow Creative Cows make a seamless transition to the Snow Leopard operating system, so they could avoid any problems running Final Cut Pro.

Unfortunately, some people either failed to get the message or chose to ignore it, opting instead to install Snow Leopard on their working system drives over the top of their existing installations of FCP and the Leopard OS. As I'd expected, many of those encountered problems and later returned to the FCP Forum for help in an effort to sort through an entire range of issues with the OS, with FCP, or with both. Too bad they didn't get the message; it would have saved them many hours of frustration. Well, now change is upon us yet again, and the long awaited and eagerly anticipated next generations of both Final Cut Pro and OS X are going to roll out soon. OS X Lion is scheduled for release on July 9th, and FCP X is due sometime later this month, in June 2011.

Don't be surprised to discover that transitioning to FCP X and OS X Lion will not happen overnight; the initial software releases of both will undoubtedly have at least a few bugs and kinks that will need to be ironed out. And, there's bound to be a waiting period while new drivers are written for RAID controllers and I/O devices. Of course, since FCP X is a radical departure from the Final Cut Pro we all know, the learning curve for most editors will probably be fairly steep while we familiarize ourselves with the features and figure out how to integrate it into both new and established workflows.

For all of the reasons above, the majority of us will want to be able to quickly and easily switch back and forth between FCP X and our current working versions of Final Cut Pro. To do that efficiently, you'll want to create at least a dual-boot system drive, and I'll show you how to set that up simply and elegantly. Once you've got that up and running, you'll be able to fearlessly run two or more versions of Final Cut on your computer, with different operating systems if needed.


Configuring your dual-boot system drive


First, you'll need either a new or clean Firewire or SATA hard drive of at least 500-Gigabytes for this procedure, and if you're planning to install the Adobe Creative Suite as well, it wouldn't hurt to start with a 1-Terabyte hard drive, which will allow you to create larger partitions than the ones I show you here.

CORRECTION: I've now tested and confirmed that USB drives are valid boot drives under the Snow Leopard operating system, however, Firewire and SATA hard drives are still preferred for all editing applications, because of their higher sustained throughput.

Connect the Firewire drive via either FW-400 or FW-800; or in the case of a SATA hard drive, install that in one of the spare drive bays in your MacPro. (Hard drives connecting via USB ports are not bootable and thus cannot be used as system drives for any Mac operating systems.) Then, follow the simple instructions in my video brief video tutorial. You'll learn a lot of value information, and you'll find that cloning and partitioning your hard drives on a Mac is easier than you think.


3-Bootable Partition Schematic. Image courtesy of David Roth Weiss. All rights reserved.
3-Bootable Partition Schematic. Click for larger view.


NOW, TEST YOUR HANDIWORK


After following the instructions in the tutorial, when you're done cloning your current system drive to the first partition on your new hard drive, test it so you'll feel confident that you've succeeded. It'll give you a lot of confidence in your new computer skills.

To boot to the new partition #1 (Snow Leopard & FCS 3 in my example), or to boot to any bootable partition once you've installed an operating system there, simply restart your computer as normal, but hold down the Option key on your keyboard. When the monitor refreshes after the reboot, you'll see that icons will appear that represent each of the available bootable drives or bootable partitions on your computer. Just double click on the one you want and your computer will boot to the operating system on that drive. It's just that simple.


I hope you enjoy this tutorial and find it helpful in setting up your Mac to run all the newest software from Apple.


"©2011 David Roth Weiss and CreativeCOW.net. All rights reserved.

 


 

David Roth Weiss

David Roth Weiss

David is a contributing editor for CreativeCOW.net and contributes to Creative COW magazine with popular articles drawn from his industry experience. You can also find David hosting Creative COW's Apple Final Cut Pro, and Business & Marketing forums.









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Re: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by michael van metre
Hi David,

Great tutorial, one question...

Couldn't you leave your start up dive as is and then partition another drive for Lion or Snow Leopard to run FCP X or Premiere? Do all OS's need to be on the same drive?

Did you trash your original start up drive that you copied from?
Re: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Michael Smith
Thank you for the excellent tutorial. I understand it to mean that I should create a multiple partitioned external firewire hard drive and boot from it in the future. I have a firewire 3TB external drive that I have partitioned into:
1) Lion,
2) OS 10.5.8 and Final Cut Studio 2,
3) Time Machine.

Will this present a performance penalty over booting from the system drive?
Re: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Esther gimenez
Hi David,

Thanks for your tutorial

I am now in slightly different situation, as I have just bought a new macbook pro which comes with Lion installed (if I'd known...) After a lot of fiddling I managed to create a partition in the Lion boot drive (using carbon copy on the recovery HD partition and booting off it) in order to, using my old machine, install snow leopard 10.6.8 on it.

I have then installed FCP 7.03 on it (same one I have in the old machine, which works beautifully but runs too slow nowadays hence the hardware upgrade) and I am testing it before I start a major project in a couple of days. In principle it should run at least as good as it does in my old machine, but of course it couldn't have been that easy!

The first problem I am encountering is I can't use Log and Transfer to import EX1 files, it keeps telling me that the directory contains unsupported media or has an invalid directory structure. I know that is not the case as I have just imported it using the old machine which has no trouble at all with it. Needless to say I have installed drivers for it.

Have you (or anyone out there) encountered a similar problem before? if so, how did you fix it? Any other problems using this setup? I want to be prepared for any eventuality as this is an important job for me

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Many thanks
Esther
Re: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Rob Grauert
Hey guys,

I want to set up my system drive with two partitions:

Partition 1 - OSX Leopard with FCS2 and Adobe CS5.5
Partition 2 - OSX Lion with Media Composer 6

I'm not going to work off of Snow Leopard because apparently it doesn't place nice with FCS2. And I'm going to leave Adobe CS5.5 on the Leopard partition because my computer is too old to benefit from the 64-bit and GPU acceleration anyway.

This set up should work, right? I'm unsure because Leopard is 32-bit and Lion is 64-bit. But they will be two different partitions, so I'm assuming I should be fine, right?

Any advice or tips would be much appreciated :D

Rob Grauert, Jr.
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Re: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by John Pale
I might add to this, if you are using Time Machine, you may wish to exclude your new partitions/volumes, as it will back them up in their entirety, even though they are largely the same as the original. This may fill up your Time Machine drive quickly (and affect performance during the initial very large backup). If you want to maintain some Time Machine backup of your new partitions/volumes, you can do that selectively in the Time Machine PrefPane.
Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Mike Molenda
Hi David,

When Lion comes out, I'm planning on following a variation of your tutorial where I have one partition dedicated to SL/FCS 3 and the other to Lion/FCS 3.

Will I need to worry about licensing if I go this route? I'm currently using the two license keys that came with FCS on the system I'll be partitioning and on my laptop. Will I have to somehow deactivate one or both of them before doing this? Or does FCS use the system serial number or something to identify whether the computer has been licensed to use the software?

Any help would be appreciated.
Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by David Roth Weiss
[Mike Molenda] "I'm planning on following a variation of your tutorial where I have one partition dedicated to SL/FCS 3 and the other to Lion/FCS 3.

Will I need to worry about licensing if I go this route?"


It's relatively impossible to run two installations of FCP on separate partitions simultaneously Joe, which is really what's implied in the spirit of Apple's EULA, so I don't think you have a thing to worry about.

By the same token, if I clone my system hard drive for safety sake and keep that on the shelf in case of emergency, I can't imagine the Apple copyright police getting on my case, though I must say, the way their decisions are coming down these days at Apple, who knows?


David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

Don't miss my new tutorial: Prepare for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
http://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/FCP-10-MAC-Lion/1

POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™


Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Mike Molenda
[David Roth Weiss] "It's relatively impossible to run two installations of FCP on separate partitions simultaneously"

I take it this means the license applies only to running the application and not the installer, then. Thanks for the tip. I will definitely sleep easier knowing I can make the leap to 10.7 without having to worry about not being able to go back.
Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by David Roth Weiss
[Mike Molenda] "I will definitely sleep easier knowing I can make the leap to 10.7 without having to worry about not being able to go back."

The whole purpose is to have no worries ever about making a mistake when performing and upgrade or update or cross-grade, etc., etc., etc.

Filmmaking, video making, visual storytelling are tough enough, and the many things in this world you can't control are tough too - no editor should ever have to worry about those routine technical matters well within their powers of control - at least that's what I try for by offering my help here.


David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

Don't miss my new tutorial: Prepare for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
http://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/FCP-10-MAC-Lion/1

POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™


Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Scott Douglas
Hi David,

Now that the dust has kind of settled. I've heard rumors on the boards that FCP 7 updater has been disabled, I'm not sure if there is any truth to this. The other 'rumor' is that Lion won't allow the FCP7 installer to work.

I have no idea whether either are true. But suggesting one can't install FCP7 that'll be fully updatable or at worst can't simply install FCP7 onto Lion, what would your suggestions be to tackle this in the best way?

My question is taking into consideration that I know you're very opposed to simply installing FCPX onto the same partition as FCP7, and the same for a new OS over an old OS.

It's sounding like there's no way to re-install FCP7 anymore... wondering if you had any idea's on how to setup your way, with the new FCP7 limitations. (I'm still in prep mode for possibly FCPX and more so Lion).

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Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by David Roth Weiss
[Scott Douglas] "suggesting one can't install FCP7 that'll be fully updatable or at worst can't simply install FCP7 onto Lion, what would your suggestions be to tackle this in the best way?
"


Excellent question Scott, and I have no concrete answer for you at this moment, as I have no way presently to test everything at this point.

What I can tell you is that many have not followed my advice, and they have installed FCP X, side by side, right onto their working FCS 3 system drives. And, it does work... for now... However, I predict that we will see major catastrophes developing later once the manufacturers of I/O cards and plugins begin to ship their FCP X drivers etc.

Given that Apple in its infinite wisdom has decided to yank FCS 3 and all, or virtually all, support for the product, any professional with even a hint of good sense, who is not exercising the utmost precaution at this point in terms of system clones, and separate bootable partitions for their old and the new software installations, may well be putting the future of their entire businesses at stake.

Some may question my conclusions and suggest that I'm being overly concerned and overly cautious, but as the wise Mr. Benjamin Franklin wrote: "An ounce of caution is worth a pound of cure."

Hope this helps...


David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

Don't miss my new tutorial: Prepare for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
http://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/FCP-10-MAC-Lion/1

POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™


Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by tad newberry
i just listened to the first 20 minutes of Walter and Richard's audio on FCP X...it's sounding like a deal-breaker. : ( Waaaa.... i guess now we're all wondering if Apple will "fix" at least some of the major problems with the "upgrade" or if it's time to shop elsewhere? The fact that there are no install discs is one thing, but there are several other problems as well: not backward compatible - you can't even open an FCP 7 project in X! Yikes! Only 1 sequence per project? Really? At least, that's what i understood from their review. Ouch.

thanks for helping out a bonehead!
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Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by David Banbury
Just a question on using other apps.

With partitions as you have described - should I have all the apps from partition1 reinstalled on Partition2?
Or can I boot of the fresh install (Partition2) and open an Application like Photoshop from the original clone (partition1)?

Having multiple versions of apps could end up in upgrade hell down the track....

thanks for your thoughts
David

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Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Declan Smith
Excellent tutorial, thanks.

Declan Smith
http://www.madpanic.tv
FCS3 / After Effects CS5 / Combustion / Canon 7D / Canon XL2
Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by David Roth Weiss
[Declan Smith] "Excellent tutorial, thanks."

You're very welcome Declan. I hope your transition is a smooth one whether or not the software is right for you.


David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

Don't miss my new tutorial: Prepare for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
http://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/FCP-10-MAC-Lion/1

POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™


Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Declan Smith
This is probably an edge case. I use a mac server on the network to control logins shared drives etc. So when logging in from my MacPro, MacBookPro etc, the network login for my account gets used.

When booting to a new partition, OS X seems to want to first look on all other partitions my user home directory and then use that (meaning that some of my stuff will potentially not be on my new partition). What's even more odd is that this check is only done up to the point that OS X has resolved the user home, then it will use that every time you reboot (or until you force it to have to resolve a new one), for example of the original one disappears).

So, to workaround this behaviour, I temporarily rename my original home folder then restarted into the first new partition. This resulted on OS X creating a new Users/home on the new partition. I then renamed the temporary home back and both partitions now use the correct home. I then rebooted into the second new partition and again it did the same thing (picked an existing home), so I then had to temporarily rename the two existing Users/home directories and restart, yada yada. Probably best explained with Steps below:

My Original User home is located in the internal drive as follows:
MAC_HD: /Users/declan

Partitions:

MAC_HD (existing)
FCP_SL
FCPX_SL
FCPX_LION (Not in service yet, obviously!)

Scenario 1:
Restart into FCP_SL, login (id from network server), FCP_SL install uses the MAC_HD /Users/declan

Workaround 1
a. Rename home on MAC_HD: /Users/declan /Users/_declan
b. Reboot into FCP_SL
c: Login as declan, FCP_SL /Users/declan gets created.
d. Rename home on MAC_HD: /Users/_declan -> /Users/declan
e. Restart into MAC_HD uses MAC_HD /Users/declan
f. Restart into FCP_SL uses FCP_SL /Users/declan


Scenario 2:
Restart into FCPX_SL, login (id from network server), FCPX_SL now users FCP_SL /Users/declan

Workaround 2
a. Rename home on MAC_HD: /Users/declan /Users/_declan
b. Rename home on FCP_SL: /Users/declan /Users/_declan
c. Reboot into FCPX_SL
d: Login as declan, FCPX_SL /Users/declan gets created.
e. Rename home on MAC_HD: /Users/_declan -> /Users/declan
f. Rename home on FCP_SL: /Users/_declan -> /Users/declan
g. Restart into MAC_HD uses MAC_HD /Users/declan
f. Restart into FCP_SL uses FCP_SL /Users/declan
h. Restart into FCPX_SL uses FCPX_SL /Users/declan


Of course, if you don't mind OS X using your existing home directory, then the above can be ignored, but it makes me wonder what else OS X does or searches for starting up.

Anyone else noticed this ?

Declan Smith
http://www.madpanic.tv
FCS3 / After Effects CS5 / Combustion / Canon 7D / Canon XL2
Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Rob Fourchalk
Hi David - bit of a novice but love your elegant design concept. Can I achieve this set-up with my current configuration of drives.

Here it is:

System Drive 1: Dedicated to OS and apps (1 tb) Including Final Cut Suite and Snow Leopard etc...

Drive 2: (2 tb) drive: Back up drive

Drive 3 and 4: (2 tb) fast raided combination. Media drive.

My question: I doubt this would work (again novice speaking here) but could I partition my system drive 1 (as you lay out in tutorial) by copying over everything into a temporary partitioned drive 2 (backup drive) then reformat drive 1, partition it accordingly, return drive 2 back to normal and then be good to go?

Ultimately would like to make my current system drive 1 (1 tb) into this partitioned drive for final cut x/final cut 7/snow leopard/lion etc...

I'm guessing already that you can't copy over operating systems without properly re-installing them, but wondering if you had a way around this.

Thanks,

Because Bonehead has been taking, I may be referred to as Meathead.
Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by David Roth Weiss
[Rob Fourchalk] " but could I partition my system drive 1 (as you lay out in tutorial) by copying over everything into a temporary partitioned drive 2 (backup drive) then reformat drive 1, partition it accordingly, return drive 2 back to normal and then be good to go?"

Your concept above is essentially 100% sound, except that you need to substitute the word "clone" in place of the word "copy."

The problem is, your Drive #2 has material on it that you want to keep, so creating a 2nd partition can't be done while preserving that material.

Your best bet would be to clone your system drive temporarily to an empty firewire drive. Then, be sure to test it to make sure it boots. Now, partition your 1Tb system drive with at least three partitions. Then, clone the firewire drive bak to partition #1.

Does this make sense?


David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

Don't miss my new tutorial: Prepare for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
http://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/FCP-10-MAC-Lion/1

POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™


Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Rob Fourchalk
Thanks David - my backup drive 2 is pretty small at this point, so I'll just move files from that drive temporarily to my raided 3 and 4 drives, then temporarily clone my source drive 1 over to my emptied backup drive 2 (testing it of course to make sure it boots properly).

Then, I'll partition source drive (according to your tutorial with carbon copy clone) and then clone backup drive 2 to partition 1 on the source drive.

This will save me using an external drive to help make the changes.

Pretty much what you said minus the use of external drive.

Am I on the right track with all this? Tomorrow morning's predicted arrival date for Final Cut X can't get here soon enough. Almost completely out of Xanax.

Thanks,

Rob
Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Jiggy Gaton
i don't know...I came up with my own test system that seems a lot less complicated, but does require some special hardware:

A double drive dock, like the one from Thermaltake (BlackX) with esata connection.

An esata adapter. The one I use is a dual port cheapo express card for my MBP.

Two blank drives, large size. I like the WD20EARS cause they are quiet and stay cool.

Then I used your chart to make the two systems: FCPX + SL and FCPX + Lion beta. My internal drive is already using FCS + SL 10.6.8.

Everyhing works great. Once Lion is officially released I will clone the FCPX +Lion onto my internal and pack up the FCS + SL for safekeeping.

But unless I get better quickly at using the new FCP (and Apple delivers the FCP7-->FCP10 conversion utility), it may be awhile before I do that last step... Premiere Pro and AE is looking a lot easier everyday I struggle with FCPX. Maybe I am too old to change...and hell, there is only three more months before retirement day anyway.

I noticed that Ripple training is out already...is that true? How did they do that... plugin developers could not even get advanced code to be ready that fast!

Well, I hope this helps anyone with drive docks, which I really love.

Phoenix Studios Nepal: A small A/V Production House in Kathmandu.
Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Rob Fourchalk
One last bit of paranoia to resolve here David. Actually, what I'm going to do is: erase my internally raided together drive(s) 3 and 4 - no problem I have everything backed up onto Drive 2 (backup drive).

So...am I doing this correct.

1) Erase Raided drive 3 and 4
2) Clone System drive 1 to drives 3,4 (once erased)

Question at this point - how do I test that raided drive 3,4 is booting properly. Do I restart and then press option button to make sure it goes to Drive 3,4?

3) Then...if boots properly - erase System drive 1, Partition it accordingly and then clone Drive 3,4 back to Partition 1 of System Drive 1.

4) Then of course install snow leopard onto partition 2 (update) and wait for tomorrow to come.

Question: Silly one I know - I understand the beauty and efficiency and eloquence of this set up - but could I not just install final cut x directly onto my system drive without all this. Again, I understand all the bugs that need to be worked out, but I've just started using final cut pro a couple months ago and don't have many projects going.

Would final cut x not just update current final cut 7 (override it) or is it a complete different program now, but if it is, couldn't they live together on same drive (without partition) in as much harmony?

And same with Lion when it comes out.

Lastly, if I go the fabulous route as your tutorial shows, how would I reconfigure the three partitions later down the road when all the bugs are out and I just wanted to run Lion and FCP X?

Can't blame you if you don't respond.

Thanks in advance,

Rob
Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by David Roth Weiss
I think you essentially have it right, though why you want to clone to both 3&4 is a bit of a mystery to me.

[Rob Fourchalk] "I understand the beauty and efficiency and eloquence of this set up - but could I not just install final cut x directly onto my system drive without all this. Again, I understand all the bugs that need to be worked out, but I've just started using final cut pro a couple months ago and don't have many projects going"

First, installing over the top of an existing version of FCP (or side by side if that's possible) can be hazardous to everything you do. Second, the luxury of doing things the way I've outlined will become more and more apparent to you. It's an elegant way to avoid worries and concerns, which you find is priceless. This business is tough enough with worrying about the ramifications of installing updates and upgrades.

Go back and read the text in my tutorial Rob. Those who doubt me on subjects like this usually end up having problems and being sorry they didn't listen.

[Rob Fourchalk] "how do I test that raided drive 3,4 is booting properly. Do I restart and then press option button to make sure it goes to Drive 3,4?"

Essentially correct. Reboot while holding the option key down, then test the various bootable drives and partitions that show up. All will show up, and you can test them one at a time by booting to the one you choose. Then, repeat and test the others.


David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

Don't miss my new tutorial: Prepare for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
http://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/FCP-10-MAC-Lion/1

POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™


Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Rob Fourchalk
Thanks for all this David. It puts my mind at ease to be sure. The only reason I'd be cloning to 3 and 4 is because they are internally raided together as one (for speed). But maybe I'm not aware, that even though they are raided together, I may not need to go this route.

Rob
Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by David Roth Weiss
[Rob Fourchalk] "they are internally raided together as one (for speed). But maybe I'm not aware, that even though they are raided together, I may not need to go this route."

Once you have set up your multi-partitioned drive and cloned your system drive to it and tested it, you can re-stripe 3&4 back together in RAID 0 as a fast media drive.


David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

Don't miss my new tutorial: Prepare for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
http://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/FCP-10-MAC-Lion/1

POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™


Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by walter biscardi
We always install a new OS on a separate drive inside our Mac Pros so we can easily switch back and forth between the OS' just in case we have a major issue.

Currently all our machines still have their "Leopard" drive so when Lion comes out, we'll erase those drives and switch them over to Lion. Makes it really nice in case all heck breaks loose, we just re-boot to the older OS.

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Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by David Roth Weiss
[walter biscardi] "We always install a new OS on a separate drive inside our Mac Pros so we can easily switch back and forth between the OS' just in case we have a major issue"

Yes, as was I, until now.

Now, I'm showing you how to configure an elegant solution that saves at least one drive bay, and maybe two, and saves at least one hard drive and maybe two.

Read the text in my tutorial carefully - with both FCP X and Lion growling at our doors (both in need of testing), most of us will probably need/want three separate boot drives (see the schematic below), or as I show you, three "virtual boot drives," i.e. three bootable partitions on a single hard drive, taking up just one slot of the four in your MacPro.

Why be inefficient when you can be efficient with a simple and elegant solution?





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Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by tad newberry
which still leaves me with the question as to what happens if/when a new Lion FCPX project gets "funky" (corrupted, buggy, etc.) and you want to go back to ye olde rock solid Snow Leopard FCP 7? wouldn't you still have to start the project over? of course, the saving here is that at least you don't have to do the whole reinstall. yes, that alone would a/the humongous savings...

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Re: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by kevin michael
me again, yes i agree, as a matter of fact we have a pro unit here and the person in charge came to me and asked was there any way to create an easier workflow, as her machines were getting bogged down because of the way file management was being done. She agreed to try it my way, which is not really my way, just what i gleaned on yours and other pages. BTW you guys have made my day, as this is something i have been trying to explain to the powers that be, yet i am only a technician in charge of all the workstations, not a faculty member.
i assume my suggestion was based on the situation i am working in, and not how professionals do their editing. This situation seems to have a lack of planning, IMHO, about how a small change in the pre to post production has ramifications that need to be looked at. In my world these are dealt with later instead of sooner. So again if i seemed presumptive, this is my apologia.
thanks for the response
keep up the excellent work.
km
@kevin michael
by David Roth Weiss
This is not your fault Kevin and we would certainly never want to imply that.

Here at the Cow we do read about bad work habits and workflows a lot however, and it's disturbing to think that generations of new filmmakers may never know what an efficient workflow really is, because they aren't being taught properly by people with the right experience.

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Re: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by kevin michael
Only two, which is when set up this way i would suggest never saving anything to the boot partitions, since the average amount of hard drive footprint with FCS7 is about 75Gig, and that is without Adobe CS5. Therefore saving video and project files will fill the partition up quite quickly, which creates a drive that must do more work due to cataloguing as well as if one fills up a hard drive by more than 75%, it usually slows things down.
This is based on working at a Comm. school where students save every thing on the desktop, sometimes to the point where there is not enough room to burn a DVD, and this leaves three empty bays for storage.
Oh, and one other thing, if one takes the triple partitioned hard drive and clones it and puts it on the shelf, it becomes the ultimate repair tool, as there is no footage on the original drive and replacement is much quicker than troubleshooting.
@kevin michael
by Ronald Lindeboom
I can't imagine any professional capturing video to a boot partition, at least not doing it...twice. ;o)

Best regards,

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@kevin michael
by David Roth Weiss
Wow Kevin, it actually sounds as if you're suggesting that students capture video to the desktop, fill up their system drives with video, probably get passing grades, and are later most likely allowed to graduate. And, all of that goes on with the likely possibility that they'll potentially seek work professionally based upon what they've learned in school?

It sounds to me like the students either aren't being taught the proper methodology, or perhaps they just don't care to learn proper procedures?

Maybe a deterrent needs to be put in place at your school, such as the threat of receiving something less than a passing grade for failure? Is that too severe in college these days?

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Clean Install Lion?
by Rob Womack
Based on the specs for Lion, it would seem that in this case you'll need to install on top of the existing OS, or a clean install of Snow Leopard. Instead of just having hardware requirements, there is a software requirement as well - the latest version of Snow Leopard (http://www.apple.com/macosx/how-to-buy/).

You may well be able to burn a DMG to a disk and then boot off of that to do a clean install, but there's no indication that I've seen of that. My experience with the app store is that the download and install happen behind the scenes. I'm very curious to see how the OS upgrade is handled, because based on the marketing, it sounds the same.

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Re: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Ty Ford
As a latecomer to this upgrade party but a long time Mac user, pardon my naïveté, but finding (too late) that Apple Snow Leopard requires one to blow off the entire drive for an install and then reinstall all apps from discs in this day and age sends the message that Apple is less of a technology company than I have come to expect.

Regards,

Ty Ford
@Ty Ford
by Jiggy Gaton
Ty, I don't think that's so, as I seem to remember doing this repeatedly during the early days of snow leopard: install snow leopard clean on a drive, then say something like "migrate user settings and applications from another place" and then all is transferred. This must be the case, as I have not seen application disks in years, including the SL install disk!

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@Ty Ford
by David Roth Weiss
Ty,

I'm not 100% certain exactly what the nuances of installing Lion or FCP X will be. However, according to the Apple website, you will need the latest version of Snow Leopard to make new purchase/download process at the App Store work properly. But, it doesn't say anywhere that you have to install the new OS to the very same partition you're booted to at the time of purchase.

Does this help to clarify and allay some of your fears?

David

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@David Roth Weiss
by Ty Ford
David,

As an individual, you always allay my fear and I can't tell you how much I appreciate that.

I ran into a couple of FCP bumps last week after upgrading (late) to SL 10.6.5 or 10.6.7 a few weeks ago. I then read your opening statement about SN needing a clean install, which I hadn't done. Is it possible that, because I waited for a later version of SL, I escaped the problems?

After I wiggled a few things, my import problem went away. Do you think I have a shot at escaping a total redo and clean install, or am I doomed to my own Fuster Cluck?

Did everyone who installed SL over 10.5 have FCP problems?

Your Pal,

Ty Ford
Re: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Clayton Burkhart
So then can we assume that Apple Color is dead?
@Clayton Burkhart
by Jiggy Gaton
oh god, don't get us started. have u seen this megathread over at apple: https://discussions.apple.com/message/15419569#15419569

whatever you do, don't subscribe, you will get 20 posts a day of conspiracy theories, rumors, and innuendos about a product that should hit the streets any day now. but yes, my guess is that color is dead :)

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@Jiggy Gaton
by Clayton Burkhart
Gotcha. Thanks for the feedback!
@Clayton Burkhart
by Tim Wilson
You might also check out Creative COW's own FCP X forum, which is (surprise, surprise) one of our very most active.

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Re: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Jiggy Gaton
Another worthwhile read David, thx! What I've done with my current MBP is to just go buy another 1giger drive (they are so cheap) and put beta lion there, connected to a esata II BlacX drive dock. But your article gave me the idea to just go get another one and set up a Lion -> FCP X case (when it's out), as my MBP internal drive has current released levels and works like a charm. Then I will just swap out the drives in the dock with a reboot.

I think what will be interesting for me is when I get a new MBP / iMac with thunderbolt enclosures. Those should be scream'in Lions / FCP X systems. Can't wait!

Cheers,
Jigs

Btw, my brother who does limited FCP editing, is using a bootable USB external with current SL and FCS3 running from that, and he says it works fine from his aged 24" iMac, albeit a bit slow :) But we have more time then money here, so it all works out.

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Re: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Marc Lucas
I already have a System Drive and a clone of it (via Super Duper) so would it be fair to say I could just keep my FCP system where it is and then just partition one of my 1TB drives to use for steps 2 & 3? Then I'm keeping my full working system working and safe but I can also test FCP X with SL & LION.

I was actually thinking of doing this anyway and one thing that was a worry was if I was going to download FCP X from the App Store how was I going to get it onto the non system drive but after thinking about it would you just log in to the App Store from the 1TB partitioned drive then precede to download from there?

The only thing this is going to affect is the amount of places that you can download FCP X onto because when you decide its stable you will probably want it on your main system drive some day so then three downloads would of been downloaded. I would also have it on my MBP and then if a planned upgrade o my MBP say in 6 months then there would be 5 of the downloads gone. I think I may of heard somewhere that they are going to allow 10 downloads for FCP X??

One last thing and its a dumb ass question but I've never done it before whats the situation with using the bootable drive how do you get to use the OS on the partitioned drive once installed??
Re: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by tad newberry
Now Marc, you should know that I have cornered the market on "dumb ass questions"...and here are a few more...

5) so, you have a system drive with 3 partitions, 3 OS and FCP combos...and i think the reason for this is possible instability ("bugs") in the new software? If so, let's say you start a project in Lion and FCP X...and ye have problems...there's no way to go back to good ol' 7.0.3, at least not for THAT project...so i guess i might be missing the point of having all 3 options? Maybe it is just this: if a bug is found, you can always reboot in ye olde Snow Leopard and FCP 7.0.3 and start over rather than another new system re-install, eh? Okay...that part does make sense, just still screwed with the new project, but still a huge time-saver as to system reinstall...

6) - and i've probably asked this nearly a million times already, but my early-onset of Alzheimers keeps me from remembering the answer...when reinstaling Snow Leopard and FCS 3, do i need to start with anything older underneath them, or simply grab the latest discs and get going???

: ) Sorry...but i'm just trying to keep my position as the asker of the MOST dumb ass questions. (Am i still in the lead?)

thanks for helping out a bonehead!
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Re: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by tad newberry
ONE more (now i HAVE TO be the winner...) on drive speeds...

7) on my current internal 2-bay, 2-drive RAID, i'm using 2 1.5 TB Seagate Barracuda 7200 rpm drives and wondering if their "LP" (green, "Low Power") 5400 rpm drives would work just as well? My guess is stick with 7200's whenever possible?

thanks for helping out a bonehead!
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Re: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by David Roth Weiss
[Marc Lucas] " already have a System Drive and a clone of it (via Super Duper) so would it be fair to say I could just keep my FCP system where it is and then just partition one of my 1TB drives to use for steps 2 & 3?"

Yes, if you want something other than the most elegant, efficient and economical solution available, you can add additional drives and uwaste the extra drive bays in your MacPro in another configuration. I'm all about maximizing space and creating elegant solutions.

Keep in mind, most users have system drives that are never more than 20 to 30% utilized, and now that 1 and 2Tb drives are only $60 and $120 and come installed from the factory, most users will have vast amount empty storage on the primary system drive. Why waste it?

And, the setup I've designed is very, very flexible. You can change what's on the various partitions quite easily. However, if you don't partition the drive in advance, you're not going to have as easy a time doing it later.

[Marc Lucas] "I was actually thinking of doing this anyway and one thing that was a worry was if I was going to download FCP X from the App Store how was I going to get it onto the non system drive but after thinking about it would you just log in to the App Store from the 1TB partitioned drive then precede to download from there?"

That's the ticket. By partitioning as I've shown, you can download from the App Store to any partition safely and easily if you have the latest version of the OS on that partition.

[Marc Lucas] "The only thing this is going to affect is the amount of places that you can download FCP X onto because when you decide its stable you will probably want it on your main system drive some day so then three downloads would of been downloaded. I would also have it on my MBP and then if a planned upgrade o my MBP say in 6 months then there would be 5 of the downloads gone. I think I may of heard somewhere that they are going to allow 10 downloads for FCP X??"

The multi-boot system drive I've designed becomes your "main system drive" anytime you so decide. There's no downside to this setup - it's not a "band aid" unless you want it to be. Once you set it up you can take out your existing "main" system drive and put it up on the shelf as a backup, or use it for another purpose if you have a clone already.

The multiple download thing from the Apple Store is not going be a big deal in all likelihood.

[Marc Lucas] "One last thing and its a dumb ass question but I've never done it before whats the situation with using the bootable drive how do you get to use the OS on the partitioned drive once installed??"

That's right in my tutorial in the written section. Reboot - hold down the Option Key - you'll see all all of your bootable drives and/or partitions. Select the one you want and your computer will boot that partition and the OS installed on it. SIMPLE AS PIE!!!

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@Jiggy Gaton
by David Roth Weiss
Thanks Jiggy, glad you like it!

I do suggest you think about setting things up as I've suggested, thus freeing the extra drives for you'll be using with your more traditional multi-drive setup.

When you say your current system drive is working just fine, that's actually the point, because you'll be cloning that to partition #1, which will be identical, and thus a virtual drive that functions exactly as if it were your current system drive. You'll be a much "greener" editor, and you can advertise that you helping to keep Nepal's environment pristine by using DRW's ideas for a better planet.

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Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by tad newberry
Again, great stuff, Sir Weiss. As from my other thread on doing my annual system overhaul/OS reinstall, etc., i have now a few lingering questions*** :

1) System drive: i read somewhere here that people were advising to have the system drive on a RAID for speed/redundancy, though i've always just had mine on a single drive, like you are doing in the tutorial video. Any need for a RAID for the system drive?

2) Project files on system drive? I also read somewhere here that someone was advising to put the project files (FCP, Motion, etc.) on the system drive, though this seems unlikely since you are putting three OS's and three FCPs on a 500GB drive;

3) Media drive: RAID seems optimum here...do any of you ever put project files here, or ONLY QT files, images, all sounds (iTunes library?) needed for FCP, Motion, et. all. projects?

4) additional (external) RAID: i'm thinking of adding an additional RAID setup externally. I suppose I'll need an additional card for this, but it seems it would be good to have another RAID for other projects...i dunno...getting sleepy. Must go to bed...

***my current set-up, Mac Pro Quad Core 2.66 GHz (4 drive bays):
Bay 1: 600 GB system drive...now actually almost full (iTunes is almost 200 GB!), and wondering how you got THREE partitions out of a 500GB drive for three OS's and three FCS/P's...

- this drive is set to back up weekly (via Carbon Copy Cloner) to an external USB drive.


Bay 2: 1.5 TB drive Project Files: all my FCP, Motion, DVD Studio project files and other odds and ends. Some images and QT files, though i'm trying to keep them all on the next puppy...

- this drive is set to back up daily (via Carbon Copy Cloner) to an external USB drive.


Bay 3 & 4: RAIDed together, 3 TB total Media Drives: all my Pro Res files and other QT files for projects

- this RAID has no backup schedule

thanks for helping out a bonehead!
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Re: Norton on Mac
by tad newberry
AND . . . what do you guys think about installing Norton on a Mac? I had never done it until last week...always heard it is not needed on Macs, then i got an email from Comcast (who also provides free download and protection with Norton) that i might have a "bot" on my system. Called comcast, they suggested putting Norton on the Mac and it HAS quarantined a few files since then...but wondering if i should uninstall and leave it off for the next system redux?

thanks for helping out a bonehead!
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NVIDIA GeForce GT 120
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Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by David Roth Weiss
Okay Mr. Newberry (formerly Mortimer something, right?)... Gosh you ask lots of good questions. Guess I'll start at the top and try to answer as many as possible before my fingers fall off.

[tad newberry] "1) System drive: i read somewhere here that people were advising to have the system drive on a RAID for speed/redundancy, though i've always just had mine on a single drive, like you are doing in the tutorial video. Any need for a RAID for the system drive?"

A RAIDed system drive for speed purposes is overkill, and it adds a degree of very unnecessary danger. The system drive is not the weak link in a NLE, that's typically 1) processor speed, 2) media drive/RAID throughput, 3) the editor him or herself.

As I mentioned in my tutorial, I am testing a RAID 1 mirrored solution in a single drive bay, that's provides instantaneous backup of the system drive. This may well prove to be the best and most elegant system drive solution there is, as it take all of the fear, worry, and effort out of maintaining a safe computing experience, with little or no drawbacks to performance.

[tad newberry] "2) Project files on system drive? I also read somewhere here that someone was advising to put the project files (FCP, Motion, etc.) on the system drive, though this seems unlikely since you are putting three OS's and three FCPs on a 500GB drive;
"


Absolutely!! Project files are best kept on the system drive, otherwise you risk losing everything if they are stored on your media drive and you have catastrophic failure. For maximum safety, make sure to backup project files often to a thumb drive, to another computer on your network, on the new iCloud when that's available soon, or to all of the above.

[tad newberry] "3) Media drive: RAID seems optimum here...do any of you ever put project files here, or ONLY QT files, images, all sounds (iTunes library?) needed for FCP, Motion, et. all. projects?"

Most of us refer to these drives as "media drives" for a reason. These are where media (audio, video, animation, graphics) should reside. Data (applications, project files, etc.) is best kept on the system drive.

And, as I've told you often in the past if memory serves, a fast RAID makes the day to day editing experience of every editor better. You can't be too rich, too thin, or have too much throughput on your media drives. A two-drive RAID has essentially 2X the throughput of a single drive, and that just continues to go up as you add additional drives (within certain limitations, of course), and increased throughput equals increased realtime performance.

[tad newberry] "4) additional (external) RAID: i'm thinking of adding an additional RAID setup externally. I suppose I'll need an additional card for this, but it seems it would be good to have another RAID for other projects...i dunno...getting sleepy. Must go to bed..."

It's better to have one big one externally, But, having one internally can't hurt, though it would occupy drive bays that could be used for other purposes, or reserved for a dedicated clone or backup drive, which is what I do.

Now, go get some sleep... I hope this helps you...

David

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Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by tad newberry
Fabulous stuff, sir. Thanks for taking the time to reply to them all (still, anyone re: the Norton poop?) So, a lil mo' follow up...

1) that mirrored drive you are testing (in ONE bay!) sounds interesting, though almost oxymoronish. Is it two drives in one enclosure, then in one bay...or something else? Anyway, you sound terribly excited about it so it must be a good deal. I'll be waiting for the full article and details...

2-4) i had been keeping my project files on a separate internal drive. I suppose i could move them to the system drive, and then maybe use this former "project file drive" as the third drive in the internal RAID. i had been using the internal RAID (made via Disk Utility) because i figure the throughput is faster on the internal busses than any external would be? No? Going from a 2 drive RAID to a 3 drive RAID would be faster, eh? At this point, and this is my first RAID (ooh ahh), i've been going for speed rather than redundancy redundancy. I now look in Disk Utility at this RAID and clicking on the RAID set icon in the far left window, Disk Utility tells me the "RAID Type" (listed near the top of the right window) is a "Striped RAID Set", though when i click on the icon (in the far left window) that is indented under this main icon the right window tells me it is a "Mirrored RAID Set". Just curious as to why the "types" would show up differently.

As for backups, i use external (FW 800) drives to do a daily backup of project files and a weekly back up of the system drive...and i think on this next go 'round as per your recommend i'll make an additional mirrored clone of a fresh install of the OS and FCS and put it on the shelf.

Okay...another pesky system rebuilding question: what is the best/optimum (most organized) way of dealing with all the added system files (additional fonts, FCS templates and plugins) that accumulate in the months after a fresh install? My only "system" for that so far is to save a copy of the fonts folder (and templates, plugins, etc.) and dump them back in to the appropriate places after the install (then clone to the shelf this time).

And do you guys trust spinning hard drives for long-term shelf storage and archiving? I don't...and have tried to keep up with putting project files and original footage (pre-conversion to ProRes) on BluRay discs, but that is sometimes a daunting task due to the time it takes, but maybe the most rock solid solution for now?

Anyway, thanks again for the ears and input...

thanks for helping out a bonehead!
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2.66 GHz Quad-Core Mac Pro
6GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GT 120
...and a few TeraBytes o' storage
(then it's on to PetaBytes, ExaBytes and MosquitoBytes!)
Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by tad newberry
Fabulous stuff, sir. Thanks for taking the time to reply to them all (still, anyone re: the Norton poop?) So, a lil mo' follow up...

1) that mirrored drive you are testing (in ONE bay!) sounds interesting, though almost oxymoronish. Is it two drives in one enclosure, then in one bay...or something else? Anyway, you sound terribly excited about it so it must be a good deal. I'll be waiting for the full article and details...

2-4) i had been keeping my project files on a separate internal drive. I suppose i could move them to the system drive, and then maybe use this former "project file drive" as the third drive in the internal RAID. i had been using the internal RAID (made via Disk Utility) because i figure the throughput is faster on the internal busses than any external would be? No? Going from a 2 drive RAID to a 3 drive RAID would be faster, eh? At this point, and this is my first RAID (ooh ahh), i've been going for speed rather than redundancy redundancy. I now look in Disk Utility at this RAID and clicking on the RAID set icon in the far left window, Disk Utility tells me the "RAID Type" (listed near the top of the right window) is a "Striped RAID Set", though when i click on the icon (in the far left window) that is indented under this main icon the right window tells me it is a "Mirrored RAID Set". Just curious as to why the "types" would show up differently.

As for backups, i use external (FW 800) drives to do a daily backup of project files and a weekly back up of the system drive...and i think on this next go 'round as per your recommend i'll make an additional mirrored clone of a fresh install of the OS and FCS and put it on the shelf.

Okay...another pesky system rebuilding question: what is the best/optimum (most organized) way of dealing with all the added system files (additional fonts, FCS templates and plugins) that accumulate in the months after a fresh install? My only "system" for that so far is to save a copy of the fonts folder (and templates, plugins, etc.) and dump them back in to the appropriate places after the install (then clone to the shelf this time). Oy...

thanks for helping out a bonehead!
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2.66 GHz Quad-Core Mac Pro
6GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GT 120
...and a few TeraBytes o' storage
(then it's on to PetaBytes, ExaBytes and MosquitoBytes!)
Re: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Rob Grauert
Nice. I'm doing it. This way I don't have to wait for people to work out the bugs in FCP X. I can dive in and have an efficient backup.

I'm assuming, though, if your partitioned drive crashes, you lose all those partitions? So maybe it's a good idea to have clone of that partitioned drive?

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Re: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Warren Eig
The only problem with partitioning is speed loss. The inner partition is the fastest and they get slower as you work your way toward the outer edge. Better off adding an additional drive or an external firewire drive to dual boot.

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Re: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Rob Grauert
[Warren Eig] "The only problem with partitioning is speed loss."

Do you know how much the speed decreases? I thought about that too, but I figured the drive is only running the OS and Software. I couldn't image there being a noticeable difference, but I could be wrong, of course.

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@Warren Eig
by David Roth Weiss
Warren,

Adding additional drives is not nearly as elegant as this solution, and so far throughput has proved not to be an issue as you suggest.

During the transition to FCP X and Lion most people will want to switch back and forth several times a day. Of course you can boot to any number of additional hard drives, but why, when you can have everything you need in just one drive bay.

The present generation of SATA drives are much faster than those from just a couple years back, and you'll find speed across all partitions on the system drive is a non-issue. In fact, as I mention in the accompanying text, I'm testing the same solution in a RAID 1 mirrored configuration, and the AJA read/write test shows that throughput on that only changes by an insignificant amount.

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Re: @Warren Eig
by Tom Brooks
David, I'm not sure if this is off the topic here or not, but I'm looking for advice. I'm currently running Final Cut 6.0.6. I have been using a good old reliable G5. Now, I badly need not only to catch up with the current OS and Final Cut version, but another workstation as well. That said, all this change is making me hesitant to buy now. Why hesitate? The reason being that several of the key Apple products I need are at the transition point from the old model to the new one--specifically the Mac Pro and Final Cut.

Is there a compelling reason to hold out for the new Mac Pros, which might have Thunderbolt, or can I get the same functionality just as good and cheap in a current box without Thunderbolt? In other words, is Thunderbolt likely to be a revolution in terms of cost and function, or just a more convenient way to connect things?

Should I get FC7 now, even though it's at the end of its life cycle or just continue with 6.0.6 until FCX (or Premiere, which I'll have in addition) makes it no longer necessary?

Final Cut Pro 6.0.6, Mac OS-X 10.5.6, Quicktime 7.6, Adobe Prod Prem CS4, G5 Quad 2.5, Kona-LHe V7.5, 8.5GB RAM, Nvidia GeForce 7800-GT 256MB, G-RAID 2x1TB FW800, 6TB RAID-5 (Enhance E8-ML, Highpoint 2322), Panasonic HVX-200P P2. Also MBP 17" Core 2 Duo 2.5, 4GB, GeForce 8600M GT 512MB.
@Tom Brooks
by David Roth Weiss
Yes Tom, it's off topic, but so what?

Were I in your shoes at this very moment, I might consider buying a used 8-core Mac. Then, trade up after the dust settles. An 8-core Mac will be worth something on the open market a year or two from now, and you can get into it for a whole lot less than a new one. You might miss out on some of the speed that a new machine will get you, but it will still be so much faster than and more capable than what you're running now that you'll be happy, at least until a friend let's you try out his brand new honking fast 12-core.

Hope this helps.

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Re: @Tom Brooks
by Tom Brooks
David, thanks for the suggestion. I like it. I fully intend to make a transition to at least one of those honkin' fast machines when things are better defined. I find the math favorable for the most cores you can get in one box, although the fastest processor is not always the best deal. Do you think FC7 will be available for a while, even after FCX comes out?
Re: @David Roth Weiss
by Warren Eig
David,

Modern SATA drives begin to bog down at 50% capacity and then take a real speed hit at 40% and below. By partitioning, I believe you're just getting there faster. These aren't SCSI or SAS drives that can be filled up with out speed degradation.

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Re: @David Roth Weiss
by David Roth Weiss
[Warren Eig] "Modern SATA drives begin to bog down at 50% capacity and then take a real speed hit at 40% and below. By partitioning, I believe you're just getting there faster. "

Doubter, doubter, pants on fire!!!

You're making several false assumptions Warren. The setup(s) we're discussing do not sufficiently fill the drives or their respective partitions to the extent that it has any negative impact on the operation of the system or editing in FCP. And, as I mentioned clearly, if you wish to add additional applications or even suites of applications, such as the entire Adobe Creative Suite, I would advise starting with a 1Tb hard drive, which will allow for larger partitions than my example in the tutorial.

However, since you're not convinced, and you're clearly not going to accept anything but science, I'm prepping an entire study I'm planning to publish on the Cow that will include AJA Read/Write tests on all partitions of the following:

1) The triple-boot partitions I built on a 500Gb SATA drive for this tutorial.

2) The triple-boot partitions I built on a 500Gb RAID 1 mirrored setup on the Stardom Pro Drive.

3) And, a setup with six bootable partitions I'll create on a 1Tb hard drive, which will be bigger and badder than anyone should ever need.

The results will speak for themselves and should allay your concerns.

Meanwhile, I've been running these two 500Gb triple-boot configurations while editing with FCP for several days without any issues whatsoever. Hopefully, you will see the tests soon and you'll become a believer and drink my Kool Aid.

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Re: @David Roth Weiss
by Warren Eig
[David Roth Weiss] "you'll become a believer and drink my Kool Aid."

Cherry Kool-Aid?

Warren Eig
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Re: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by David Roth Weiss
Rob,

Backing up all important data is an essential part of good business, and having a bootable clone of your Mac system drive standing by at the ready has been a consistent message of mine on the FCP forum throughout the years. One should not have to live in fear, a having a working clone at the ready at all times provides peace of mind, because you can have your system get back up and running in just minutes in the event of a catastrophic failure of your working system drive.

The cool RAID 1 mirrored backup that I'm currently testing creates an iinstant dentical copy of everything on the system drive automatically. And, it's a two-drive solution that occupies just one drive bay in Mac Pros. It's may be the most efficient solution available for system backup and security. You should read my review on that, due here soon.

Hope this helps.

David

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Re: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Stephen Smith
Great stuff. I'm glad you made this tutorial. Big thumbs up from me.

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Re: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by David Roth Weiss
Thanks Steve, glad to like the tutorial. I think you'll like the freedom it'll give you while you're mastering all the new features of FCP X coming our way.

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Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Mark Suszko
Stupid question, but here I go:

OK, I get that you've partitioned an external drive and loaded the OS and FCP on the partitions. So... you're going to run the computer OS AND the editing software from one of those partitions, then

A: the original system drive is just sitting there doing nothing?
and
B: what are you using for the media drive, while running off the partitioned versions? Are you keeping your scratch files in the same partition as the OS and FCP? I always thought that was considered bad operational practice? Where do the media scratch files go in this setup?
Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by David Roth Weiss
[Mark Suszko] "A: the original system drive is just sitting there doing nothing?"

This is all about simplicity and efficiency Mark - I think it's an elegant solution using only one drive and one drive bay to run three (or more if you wish) combinations of FCP and Mac operating systems You can pull the original system drive and put it on your shelf as a backup clone if you wish, or erase it and use it elsewhere, it's not needed.

The alternatives are far from elegant, requiring multiple drives. Everytime you want to test FCP X or train on it you'd have to hook up a new firewire drive or boot from a drive taking up another of your four bays in your MacPro.

[Mark Suszko] "B: what are you using for the media drive, while running off the partitioned versions? Are you keeping your scratch files in the same partition as the OS and FCP? I always thought that was considered bad operational practice? Where do the media scratch files go in this setup?"

The location of your media drives/scratch drives doesn't change. They aren't on your system drive now, why would you put them there now just because you have three partitions, which are recognized as nothing more than "virtual drives" in your computer.

The drivers for your RAID, if you have one, may not be available when Lion at first, so your RAID may not work initially with FCP X and/or Lion, and you will have to use firewire drives in the interim. But, that's has nothing to do with partitions on your system drive.

Does this help?

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Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by Mark Suszko
I wasn't seeing where the media drive was.
Re: Tutorial: GET READY TO RUMBLE: Perfect setup for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
by David Roth Weiss
[Mark Suszko] "I wasn't seeing where the media drive was."

As I mentioned to you, this should have no change on your media drives other than perhaps those we encounter while waiting for new drivers.

Of course, there are some unknowns, such as:

1) Will FCP X link scratch drives to projects rather than it's current and very funky method with little or no logic?

2) Will Lion and new drivers completely change the RAID scheme of all existing RAIDs, requiring reformatting?

These are things that will have to be dealt with by all users anyway, regardless of how they configure and manage system drive configuration for testing and training during the transition period to FCP X and Lion.

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