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In this tutorial, I'll show you the INs and OUTs of the Roles feature. How they work when exporting projects as well as tricks on their use in editing and during import.



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Re: FCPX INs and OUTs - Roles
by Jason Brown
When when you "hide" a certain role, when it's in the primary or secondary storyline, it doesn't change size. Is this a bug? Is there a reason you wouldn't want your storyline to change sizes?
Re: FCPX INs and OUTs - Roles
by Barry Willcock
Many thanks for a most helpful tutorial. I am a fairly inexperienced user of FCPX and I had not really ventured into roles, but your very clear explanation has helped me to see how useful this is, and not only in a longer piece of editing. I shall certainly use this function in my next project.

Barry Willcock
Re: Tutorial: FCPX INs and OUTs - Roles
by Lance Bachelder
Nice job Andy! The more I delve into FCPX the more apparent it becomes that there really was a lot of deep thought going into the program. These may not be the usual "pro" features we're used to, but they're pro all the same, very useful and VERY COOL!

Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Irvine, California

Re: Tutorial: FCPX INs and OUTs - Roles
by Andreas Kiel
As there was a similar discussion about roles here in Germany some more stuff from my point of view.

Applying Roles:
You can apply a role to a selection of clips after import.
You also can apply a role to a clip in the timeline which won't effect the role of the clip in the event.
To apply a role to multiple clips in the timeline is a bit more complicated. You can select clip by clip if there are gaps or other clips between those. If you got only gaps in between, drag the mouse to make a selection. Since gaps can't have a role, you can't assign a role to this selection. So lift the selection and undo immediately - only the clips will be selected and you can assign the wished role.

To delete clips with a special role is even a bit more complicated, because of the magnetic timeline. So if you select the clips affected by the role in the list view of the timeline, deleting those will move all clips after the last clip(s) backwards in time. That in most cases is not the desired result.
Here what you can do.
1) Again select all affected clips in the list, and replace them by a gap in the timeline. This will merge all clips/gaps affected into one gap.
2) Lift all affected clips. This creates an independent gap for each clip. Then delete the clips.

Unfortunately there is no option to replace a gap with a clip like it can be done with 'real' clip.

Andreas

Spherico
http://www.spherico.com/filmtools
Re: Tutorial: FCPX INs and OUTs - Roles
by Andy Neil
[Andreas Kiel] "So if you select the clips affected by the role in the list view of the timeline, deleting those will move all clips after the last clip(s) backwards in time. That in most cases is not the desired result."

Actually, you can delete clips and leave a gap without having to do all that lifting first. Just hit SHIFT+Delete on the keyboard.

Andy
Re: Tutorial: FCPX INs and OUTs - Roles
by Andreas Kiel
Thanks Andy,

That what I meant with the replace with gap thing, on a german keyboard it's the "Entf" key I don't know its called on an US keyboard.
I didn't know that shift-delete does do the same thing - so thanks for the hint.

Andreas

Spherico
http://www.spherico.com/filmtools
Re: Tutorial: FCPX INs and OUTs - Roles
by Andreas Kiel
Great tutorial Andy!

I may add something. There is a little trick how you can save roles as long you're running 10.2 (or maybe some day later a higher version).
Create a new empty project and drop some stuff to it, then assign your custom roles. Export the project as XML. Then delete the project.
Any time you need your roles back again just import the XML.

Another thing which is often overseen is the ability to search for roles (and other things).
An example: in list view you have selected 'All', go to the 'Find' field and type in the roles name - or a part of it, but be aware that this might match several role names, which can be handy or not.
The list will show only those clips affected by this role(s). This can be very useful if you want to disable (V) all the clips of this role or even delete them. But there is (from my point of view) a bug or at least a missing warning panel. The search result also shows the storyline(s) affected. So if you just hit cmd-A and delete all story lines which contain the role, will be deleted as well (or disabled).


- Andreas

Spherico
http://www.spherico.com/filmtools
Re: Tutorial: FCPX INs and OUTs - Roles
by Jeremy Garchow
Nice work, Andy. Hopefully this can shed some light to the power of Roles.

I'd also like to add that in my testing, Roles are also tied to Projects.

If you have custom Roles in the Project and that Project is not in the "Final Cut Projects" folder when FCPX starts, the Roles don't show up.

Alternatively, the opposite is true. If you need those custom Roles back, quit fcpx and simply load the Project.

It's the same exact idea of what Andreas is talking about, just another way to go about it.

Also, if you dim a Role without disabling the video first, the dimmed Role is still exported if you simply export a QuickTime movie (and not using Roles in the export dialog). Discussed here: http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/344/6097

Jeremy
Re: Tutorial: FCPX INs and OUTs - Roles
by Andreas Kiel
Jeremy,

That's why I made the example with the 'role search'. You can 'enable' or 'disable' clips for export without using the export settings - which are working fine.
There is a difference between 'visible' and 'enabled'. Invisible clips are still enabled and will be included in the export.

The role search also could help for OMF export. You could select your roles for audio, copy them, and paste them into a new project. From there export to OMF.

Andreas

Spherico
http://www.spherico.com/filmtools
Re: Tutorial: FCPX INs and OUTs - Roles
by Jeremy Garchow
Sounds awesome, Andreas!

Jeremy
Re: Tutorial: FCPX INs and OUTs - Roles
by Craig Seeman
This is why I imagine an eventual server based solution in which Roles could be managed or "templated" for facility wide standard organization, client and job specific Roles.

Re: Tutorial: FCPX INs and OUTs - Roles
by Andreas Kiel
One thing I forgot in my first response and the example:

I said if you use the search role plus delete you probably will catch a storyline as well. You can avoid that by a short review of the selection and some clicks.
It will work fine for example with the demo project Andy used.
It probably will cause problems with projects with several storylines.

It's not a problem of handling roles, but of the magnetic timeline and gaps.
So why?
If you you delete a clip all following clips will move (as far as I experienced - maybe I'm wrong) as I can't switch off the magnetic timeline handling globally, as well as the gap handling can't be influenced globally.
This can be real pain.

Anybody got some thoughts about that?

Andreas

Spherico
http://www.spherico.com/filmtools
Re: Tutorial: FCPX INs and OUTs - Roles
by Jeremy Garchow
[Andreas Kiel] "It's not a problem of handling roles, but of the magnetic timeline and gaps.
So why?
If you you delete a clip all following clips will move (as far as I experienced - maybe I'm wrong) as I can't switch off the magnetic timeline handling globally, as well as the gap handling can't be influenced globally.
This can be real pain.

Anybody got some thoughts about that?"


Are you talking about searching in the timeline index or the browser?
Re: Tutorial: FCPX INs and OUTs - Roles
by Andy Neil
[Jeremy Garchow] "If you have custom Roles in the Project and that Project is not in the "Final Cut Projects" folder when FCPX starts, the Roles don't show up."

Yeah, I mentioned that although I didn't say it as clearly as you. I was emphasizing that as long as FCP could access the project or event, then the role would be available.

What might be nice is a way to delete from the roles editor which gives you a warning stating:

"Warning, you are about to delete a role that is present in the following projects:"

Then you could decide not to do it, but if you understood, you could get rid of it without having to hunt through all your projects.

Andy

http://www.timesavertutorials.com
Re: Tutorial: FCPX INs and OUTs - Roles
by Jeremy Garchow
[Andy Neil] "What might be nice is a way to delete from the roles editor which gives you a warning stating:

"Warning, you are about to delete a role that is present in the following projects:""


I like the way it is now, it's just that (with a lot of things in FCPX) I wish there was more control.

Deleting the Role would be great, but once deleted, what Role replaces it?

The way it is now is that you have to really have a purpose to delete/change a Role.

Excellent tutorial, Andy. Keep it up.

Jeremy
Re: Tutorial: FCPX INs and OUTs - Roles
by Andy Neil
[Andreas Kiel] "This can be very useful if you want to disable (V) all the clips of this role or even delete them. But there is (from my point of view) a bug or at least a missing warning panel. The search result also shows the storyline(s) affected."

Great point. Although I find the search function to be more appropriate for selecting an entire set of roles to say apply a single effect to an entire role. If I was going to disable a role, I'd rather just deselect it in the roles tab since as I mention it bypasses any renders. That deletion bug is a good heads up though that I was unaware of.

Andy

http://www.timesavertutorials.com
Re: Tutorial: FCPX INs and OUTs - Roles
by Andreas Kiel
There is an old saying here in Europe "All roads end in Rome".
So there are many ways to go somewhere. But sometimes it needs some alternative routing.
So as you explained in your excellent tutorial that you can save (role) setups for the export it's totally correct and will help most people to understand this important function.
But sometimes the 'road' is blocked. The reasons might vary. So sometimes the setup might not work and you need the deviation. To understand roles, you need to figure out where they are stored. It might be in an Event, Project or they might even be stored in the preferences (Jeremy added some thoughts/experience about that).
To be honest; I know a lot about this - but definitively not everything.
So if you delete the FCPX prefences the custom master roles, may disappear, if a sub role is not used in any referenced Event or Project it won't appear. So if you detach a drive with Events or Projects, these special roles won't show up - master custom roles might do (see the prefs thing above).

So my suggestions might help on how you can use roles and search for export - and as Andy said for other things as well.

Andreas

Spherico
http://www.spherico.com/filmtools


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