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In this video tutorial, Creative COW leader Shane Ross details how to manage offline and online workflow with tapeless format.



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Interesting AVCHD FCP import problem
by John Doggett-Williams
I've just encountered a problem importing AVCHD into FCP 7 that I had not come across before. I watched your great tutorial on tapeless workflow and, as you suggested, copied all files into a folder on a drive. It's worked fine but every other time but with this particular 32gig card (SanDisk Class 10 95mb/s) FCP7 came up with "contains unsupported media or has an invalid directory structure". The files are there and playing fine when I put the card back into the camera. Any clues?

John Doggett-Williams
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Re: FCP: Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow
by Frederik Carbon
Thanks Shane,

working online with ProRes 422 HQ now. Wondering: if working with both 25p and 50p material in the same sequence, is it better to have the sequence settings to 25 fps or 50 fps? All this is very new to me ... is this an important decision right now or just a matter of 'taste' (video-like or film-like appearance on the canvas)?

Frederik
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Re: FCP: Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow
by Sarah Deuel
Hey Shane,

Thanks so much for that informative tutorial. So I am probably asking a silly question, but I am still trying to wrap my head around this prores resizing issue.

I am currently assisting with a documentary film and was asked to transcode different formats (from 7D to iphone footage) to one single format so that it will easy to edit (apple prores). Now the editor suggested I transcode all the footage to proresLT so that it wouldn't take too much space when editing. Now I know that the editor will want to upresize the sequence after editing up to prores 422 or HQ. Now after reading different forums and viewing your tutorial, I am starting to think that the way we are going about it is wrong.

My question is, should I continue transcoding in compressor the footage to proresLT and let the editor edit this footage and then try to upresize afterwards to a higher data rate prores? Or should I stop what I'm doing and talk to the editor about just transcoding all the footage just to the prores422 or proresHQ and then following your tutorial of editing offline and after editing making it online again?

I would really appreciate the help.

Thanks!
@Sarah Deuel
by Shane Ross
You can only really do the offline/online workflow I laid out if you use log and transfer to convert the footage initially. And with the 7D footage...DO NOT MOVE THE SOURCE MATERIAL! If you do this, then FCP cannot link properly to BATCH CAPTURE. Only this format...a bug Jeremy Garchow found. The iPhone footage...well, convert that to full res now. There is no offline/online workflow for that with L&T.

Shane
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Re: FCP: Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow
by Shane Ross
You cannot offline/online in any slick way if you use outside converters. It is archaic...and the wrong way to go about it. If you want to offline and online in FCP, you need to use LOG AND TRANSFER...and bring in the footage in an offline codec. Then Media Manager to CREATE OFFLINE and choose the format you want to bring it back in as. This will only recapture what you used in the sequence. You can ONLY do this if you use Log and Transfer from the get go.

Otherwise, you have to convert ALL your footage to full res with another outside app, and then reconnect. And that makes me wonder why you'd want to do the offline/online in the first place if you have enough room for all this footage at online quality/

Shane
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@Shane Ross
by Michael Boylan
Shane one more question. My project was shot with the 5d. I have multiple folders of footage because I had to separate them because some of the raw file names from the 5d were duplicates. So I separated them so they wouldn't overwrite each other. What do I do in this situation? Do all the files need to be in the same folder?

Thanks for the input.

Mike Boylan
Re: FCP: Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow
by Shane Ross
You first recapture as high res, then color correct. Because Color looks at the files you send it, and renders out finals from those.

Shane
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by Michael Boylan
Shane one more question. My project was shot with the 5d. I have multiple folders of footage because I had to separate them because some of the raw file names from the 5d were duplicates. So I separated them so they wouldn't overwrite each other. What do I do in this situation? Do all the files need to be in the same folder?

Thanks for the input.

Mike Boylan
@FCP: Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow
by Michael Boylan
Hi I have a question about using this process of using pro res 422 proxy and then getting picture lock and then re compressing to say pro res 422HQ. When would you send to apple color? Before you convert to HQ or while you are in Pro res proxy?

Any info greatly appreciated.

Mike
Re: FCP: Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow
by Shane Nye
I am working on a project that is being shot in multiple tapeless formats. In order to conserve space-est 600 hours of footage-I am hoping to use an offline workflow with Pro Res Proxy. In this case, I can't buy more drives because the footage will reside on rented space from a shared media server.

1) Will an offline workflow be the best approach if almost half the footage is either XDCAM EX or DVCPRO HD (which are not transcoded but rewrapped in a OT codec) while over half will be Pro Res HQ transcoded to Pro Res Proxy for editing?

2) Would it be wiser to convert all the XDCAM and DVCPRO HD to in order to offline edit in one format - Pro Res Proxy? If so is Proxy Mill a good way to do this?

Thanks,
Shane

Re: FCP: Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow
by frank Raposo
Shane,

Do you have a tutorial similar to this for Avid?

quinnmcguee
Re: FCP: Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow
by John Livings
Another great tutorial,

John
Re: FCP Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow
by Martin Brazeau
Excellent tutorial! It help me alot understanding how to do offline/online in fcp... as I was struggleling how to do it the right way.

I've notice that the FCP Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow is not accessible as a podcast as of august 28 2010... I've notice that in itune, there are 2 time the same podcast witch is "FCP: Export Multiple Channels of Audio" I think that one of them should have been the "FCP Tapeless offline/online workflow" hope that get fix soon, because I like having creativecow tutorial as podcast on my system.

Thanks alot for the info sharing!

Martin B.
Re: FCP Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow
by Phil Balsdon
Another excellent tutorial Shane, especially for those with limited storage capacity that still need or want to output high quality.

Cinematographer, Steadicam Operator, Final Cut Pro Post Production.
http://www.steadi-onfilms.com.au/
Re: FCP Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow
by Bruce Rawlings
A big thank you Shane. Have just been thinking about this very thing. Just need to convert your tutorial to EX1 work flow.
Re: FCP Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow
by Shane Ross
Ah...the XDCAM EX. That format presents a problem. You can only import that with the Sony XDCAM transfer utility...and only convert it to QT in the native codec. A lot of people then convert to ProRes for editing, or just edit natively. Not sure how to really deal with this format in an offline/online way. The interesting thing is that there was a LOG AND TRANSFER plugin that worked with FCP 6...so that you could access the footage in FCP 6 via L&T. But it doesn't work in FCP 7...that changed. Now there is the Sony XDCAM Transfer software...separate app. And that only works outside of FCP.

I wonder why Apple changed that?

Shane



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Re: FCP Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow
by Michael Gissing
The data rate of XDCam EX is already very low. There is not point in an offline/ online workflow as the data rate is only 30% greater than DV or HDV so there is nothing to be gained by reducing XDCam.
Re: FCP Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow
by Niklas Lagstrom
Awesome guide. Thanks!
Re: FCP Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow
by John Fishback
Right to the point. This is excellent. Thanks.

John

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Re: FCP Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow
by Michael Gissing
Yes, excellent Shane. A tutorial on how to backup various card types to maintain the correct file structures for L&T would be an excellent adjunct to this tutorial.
Re: FCP Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow
by Shane Ross
Thanks guys. And yes, the general tapeless workflow is next. just gathering resources. I have one for P2, but know that I need to cover all the bases.

Shane



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Re: FCP Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow
by Mark Raudonis
XDCAM. Can't say "tapeless" without it.

mark

Re: FCP Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow
by Shane Ross
Now...I have XDCAM EX...and I know that you can't use L&T for that. But the main XDCAM...the disks...do you use Log and Transfer for that? That is the one tapeless format I don't have. But knowing that it is done the same way would be good, as I'll choose another format to use as the main example.

Shane



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Re: FCP Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow
by Wayne Carey
[Shane Ross] "Now...I have XDCAM EX...and I know that you can't use L&T for that. But the main XDCAM...the disks...do you use Log and Transfer for that?"

Personally, I haven't used the EX format, but I think you are supposed to use L&T with it. But for the disc... I do know that one very well. You have to use Sony's XDCAM Transfer software for that and you can use it to import straight to HDs without FCP running or use it inside of FCP to import straight to a Bin.

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@Shane Ro
by Frederik Carbon
Thanks, Shane, for the very nice and useful tutorials. Would you have any suggestions on how to deal with AVCHD 50p material (after converting it with ClipWrap) in an offline/online way? Apparently it is possible, after the 'create offline' process, to manually re-connect each 50p Proxy clip with a new HQ one, but this seems rather archaic ... Also I wonder what having both 25p and 50p clips in the same sequence will do to the 25p clips ...

Thank you very much,
Frederik


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